cheating

Someone called germen freak was just on europe flying a good bit faster than my f3-x and firing nukes faster than is normally possible. FYI.

Probably fox's baby sister's dog's unkle logged into his account while he was out feeding the poor.

i noticed mutli rocket firing some times ago but not on that account.
Flying with double speed can be caused by lagging problems but
i agree that multi rockets looks like some kind of hack.

I could only catch them when they slowed down to line up a torp. Once (and only once, that I noticed) I took out one of their torps and while I was on that, they flew around to the side. As I followed around the corner, I saw them launch another torp. At most 10 seconds had passed. It took me a lot longer to kill them than normal by quite some margin.

I've only ever had trouble catching one other bomber pilot whilst flying an f3-x. Want to guess who that was?

I suppose this is the real cost of abandoned development.

This game isn't particularly difficult to modify certain parameters, either in extremes or just enough to give you an edge.

As for a bomber who's tough to catch...there's a few that come to mind. My shallow, narcissistic side says that it was me, but I can't recall playing against you lol

Incidentally, I'm actually communicating with someone from Uber now, so I've asked if they want names of cheaters for banning purposes. I'll let everyone know what they say.

Loki wrote:
As for a bomber who's tough to catch...there's a few that come to mind. My shallow, narcissistic side says that it was me, but I can't recall playing against you lol

It was TheDarkRedFox. Shortly thereafter, I read this:

https://moonbreakers.forumotion.com/t719-dev-s-are-handing-out-hacks


So, of only two players I've fought where I "felt" that something was abnormal
based on over 100 hours of flying experience, one of them admitted cheats were in use.

I don't usually have trouble catching anyone in the sidewinder.
Sure, some people can be hard to kill given their evasive flying
skills and an annoying propensity to bounce off the carrier
(so as to plant some lead in your grill), but unable to catch? no.

If a bomber can legitimately outpace the premier light interceptor then the
game is broken anyway. (well, more broken, lol)
I can't believe that my boost management skills are so bad as to compensate
for the difference in rated stats. Normally bombers die, and fast.

science wrote:
So, of only two players I've fought where I "felt" that something was abnormal
based on over 100 hours of flying experience, one of them admitted cheats were in use.

I don't usually have trouble catching anyone in the sidewinder.
Sure, some people can be hard to kill given their evasive flying
skills and an annoying propensity to bounce off the carrier
(so as to plant some lead in your grill), but unable to catch? no.

If a bomber can legitimately outpace the premier light interceptor then the
game is broken anyway. (well, more broken, lol)
I can't believe that my boost management skills are so bad as to compensate
for the difference in rated stats. Normally bombers die, and fast.

Well, as the old saying goes, "He who smelt it, dealt it."

You're right, though, in that bombers can't really outrun the Sidewinder (or light fighters & G5).

Loki wrote:

science wrote:
So, of only two players I've fought where I "felt" that something was abnormal
based on over 100 hours of flying experience, one of them admitted cheats were in use.

I don't usually have trouble catching anyone in the sidewinder.
Sure, some people can be hard to kill given their evasive flying
skills and an annoying propensity to bounce off the carrier
(so as to plant some lead in your grill), but unable to catch? no.

If a bomber can legitimately outpace the premier light interceptor then the
game is broken anyway. (well, more broken, lol)
I can't believe that my boost management skills are so bad as to compensate
for the difference in rated stats. Normally bombers die, and fast.

Well, as the old saying goes, "He who smelt it, dealt it."

Can you elaborate?

Its always been possible to hack this game to improve ship stats. WJ was informed about 2 months before he left to join Uber & work on PA, and given a few options to fix it quickly & easily. He chose to do nothing

science wrote:

Loki wrote:
Well, as the old saying goes, "He who smelt it, dealt it."

Can you elaborate?

Usually in reference to breaking wind, one tries to blame another for his own...transgression. In this case, you said that you had trouble chasing a player in a bomber while using the fastest ship in the game, then said player raises an outcry about 'teh haxors'.

And Longshot is right; this was reported months before WJ left.

Ah, I see. Since me and Nostromo both raised the issue I thought
you were implying one or both of us were cheating for a moment.

I've also had an inordinate amount of trouble chasing TheDarkRedFox around my carrier. I ended up only focusing on his torpedo sites, so he just flew in circles the whole match dying once or twice. Now that I see this thread I believe that he was cheating, at the time I was rather annoyed that he could so easily outpace me while I managed my boost to the utmost AND blew it all in an attempt to catch up.

So many creds for shooting down those torps...

Well, fox admitting cheating although didn't take direct responsibilty for it.
(Said It Was His Little Sister Using His Account Whilst He Was Busy Abusing
The Shift Key A Lot)

Plausible denial? Sure. Do I believe him? Nope.
/shrug

Well, after calling him out on it five minutes ago:

Terri: TDRF, I just read in the forum that you cheat!
TDRF: Well My Account Got Broken Into
Terri: I thought it was your sister playing on your account?
TDRF: She Helped...
Terri: ...Get your story straight, kid.

We then went on to play a CTF where he (B-10x) was able to boost over to our carrier, snag the flag, boost back (outrunning my Mamba and I by miles), cap rinse and repeat without any pausing. Nobody could catch the guy on the straights. Now, as a newer player who regularly manages my boost with taps and disintegrates enemy combers of all caliber, this is the second time I've been completely unable to catch a bomber over a long span of time, both times were the same pilot, which leaves me with a question:

Is this a balancing issue, is he just outright better than me at boost management, or is the kid actually hacking?

US East, for those who are wondering. I've seen him plenty the past week or so.

Nostromo has screen shot evidence of him using double bomber torps.
I flew against him and concluded he was cheating before I knew cheating
was in effect in this game.
Is he still using the cheats? I don't know. I've rarely flown the mamba
and the B-10x is a very capable flag runner. The B-10x may be outright
faster than the mamba. Maybe someone else can chip in here?

*Edit: misread B-10X for B-10T and then repeated it. No, the very capable
flag runner is the T not the X.

He's hacking, and no its nothing a little sister could have done. Its pretty sad given that the game has no stat tracking or rank ladder, but he still feels the need to cheat.

There are a few ships with effectively bottomless afterburner;
Mamba, Sidewinder, Kingfisher, Timberwolf, & Panther.

Of these, the bombers should not be able to outrun any of the other three ships. If they have a bit of a lead or head start, it may take you some time to catch up, but they should not be able to outrun you indefinitely (if you manage your afterburner patiently enough).

Well, I will say that I'm not 100% confident on my afterburner management, so it may be possible. But damn, if that is the case I have a lot to learn. The guy was running laps around me.

by Nostromo_Crew on 12/13/2012, 4:27 pm

My time stamp of the day I recorded his transgression. If there is still an issue with him chances are it's all him. Also, age should never be a consideration for the likely-hood of an exploiter or hacker. Where there is a will there is always a way, especially if the interwebs are well within reach.

Thing is, if he knows his install has been altered to provide unfair advantage he should be deleting local files and reinstalling. Continuing to play with cheat boosts and blaming it on a little girl ... I'm not really sure how to describe my reaction to that.

Loki wrote:Incidentally, I'm actually communicating with someone from Uber now, so I've asked if they want names of cheaters for banning purposes. I'll let everyone know what they say.

Slightly off topic, Loki, you think you can get them to put back the automatic free ship rotation? (if it's in their power) There still are newbies coming in, some leave quickly.

(As I dropped in last night with one side driving everything under the sun and the other all "1 bars" in F-3's.)

Nutz wrote:

Loki wrote:Incidentally, I'm actually communicating with someone from Uber now, so I've asked if they want names of cheaters for banning purposes. I'll let everyone know what they say.

Slightly off topic, Loki, you think you can get them to put back the automatic free ship rotation? (if it's in their power) There still are newbies coming in, some leave quickly.

(As I dropped in last night with one side driving everything under the sun and the other all "1 bars" in F-3's.)

Unfortunately, they've said "No support" until otherwise noted, so free ship rotation does not seem likely at this point. They didn't want to answer my question about monitoring for hacks, either, mostly because they are Uber Entertainment focused on their Planetary Annihilation project, not IMBA, which technically doesn't exist anymore except as a legal entity.

just fyi, it is not possible to increase your top speed by cheating.

you can, however, make the following changes (but i will not divulge how):
have infinite boost.
have zero drift.
have a faster turning speed.
have W and S changing your throttle from min to max in one button push.
remove the roll accompanied with turning left/right using the mouse.

that last one is hard to impossible to spot, and i think i'm the only one who has figured out how it's done anyway. but the rest should be easy enough to notice...

longshot wrote:Thing is, if he knows his install has been altered to provide unfair advantage he should be deleting local files and reinstalling. Continuing to play with cheat boosts and blaming it on a little girl ... I'm not really sure how to describe my reaction to that.

You're assuming that there is even a little girl to blame Longs.